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		<title>By: Ideoggece</title>
		<link>http://www.commutebybike.com/2008/01/05/obey-or-not/comment-page-1/#comment-79398</link>
		<dc:creator>Ideoggece</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 03:09:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d prefer reading in my native language, because my knowledge of your languange is no so well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d prefer reading in my native language, because my knowledge of your languange is no so well.</p>
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		<title>By: r.</title>
		<link>http://www.commutebybike.com/2008/01/05/obey-or-not/comment-page-1/#comment-71174</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 16:31:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see a lot of cars in Memphis passing and speeding in the right lane.  At lights, they will attempt to scoot past cars in order to execute a right turn.  I am a driver too and as such I know I have limited visibility. I lived in DC once, and as I remember it the cars pulled the same moves.

I&#039;m not defending this cyclist&#039;s move, but I think the behavior of the drivers will and do affect the behavior of cyclists.  She was wrong for being in a tunnel.  Tunnels have limited visibility and width; if she didn&#039;t have lights and bright clothing I&#039;m sure you would have hit her.  However, could it be possible she was riding in your blind spot and that you didn&#039;t check your blind spot adequately before changing lanes?  Could it be possible that you were distracted by a cell phone call or something?   

It takes two to cause an accident; I believe one is usually more at fault than the other.  If I see a nutso in my car pulling a move like that cyclist I usually hold my lane and slow down.  When they&#039;re gone then I proceed to change lanes.  It takes a few seconds longer, but I&#039;d rather arrive in one piece.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see a lot of cars in Memphis passing and speeding in the right lane.  At lights, they will attempt to scoot past cars in order to execute a right turn.  I am a driver too and as such I know I have limited visibility. I lived in DC once, and as I remember it the cars pulled the same moves.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not defending this cyclist&#8217;s move, but I think the behavior of the drivers will and do affect the behavior of cyclists.  She was wrong for being in a tunnel.  Tunnels have limited visibility and width; if she didn&#8217;t have lights and bright clothing I&#8217;m sure you would have hit her.  However, could it be possible she was riding in your blind spot and that you didn&#8217;t check your blind spot adequately before changing lanes?  Could it be possible that you were distracted by a cell phone call or something?   </p>
<p>It takes two to cause an accident; I believe one is usually more at fault than the other.  If I see a nutso in my car pulling a move like that cyclist I usually hold my lane and slow down.  When they&#8217;re gone then I proceed to change lanes.  It takes a few seconds longer, but I&#8217;d rather arrive in one piece.</p>
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		<title>By: pwedza</title>
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		<dc:creator>pwedza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 06:23:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am an avid cyclist, but I also drive a car from time to time. I live in DC and I am mostly on my bike when I move around the city. Like many cyclists here I cut corners, edge through red lights, and jump on a sidewalk every once in a while. I have had very few close encounters in my time here.

However, a week or so ago, I nearly killed a girl on her bike while I was in my car. It was in the morning and not very bright, I was driving down a main artery - 16th Street towards the White House - traffic was dense and I was in the left-hand lane. I passed a girl on her bike who was riding on the dashed line between the two lanes.  A good bit after passing her I was going underneeth one of DC&#039;s circles through a tunnel. I began to merge to the right with relatively little room - it was rush hour - and I hear a scream &quot;hey you fucking asshole mother fucker, etc.......&quot;  I see the girl on the bike whiz around me screaming and shaking her fist.  Basically she was shooting between cars in a dark tunnel with traffic moving at a good pace.    

As a cyclist, I would never pull the move she did.  I would pick a lane and follow a car.  Nobody would agree that a motorcycle has a right to pull such a move.  Neither does a bike.  I would have felt bad had I run her over.. But since I didn&#039;t, I feel that she was very irresponsible.  

The only time I cut through traffic like that is if everybody is stopped at a red light.  And, in my years of riding here in DC, I have come to know that many drivers - especially cabbies- would be perfectly happy to run such a cyclist into the ground.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am an avid cyclist, but I also drive a car from time to time. I live in DC and I am mostly on my bike when I move around the city. Like many cyclists here I cut corners, edge through red lights, and jump on a sidewalk every once in a while. I have had very few close encounters in my time here.</p>
<p>However, a week or so ago, I nearly killed a girl on her bike while I was in my car. It was in the morning and not very bright, I was driving down a main artery &#8211; 16th Street towards the White House &#8211; traffic was dense and I was in the left-hand lane. I passed a girl on her bike who was riding on the dashed line between the two lanes.  A good bit after passing her I was going underneeth one of DC&#8217;s circles through a tunnel. I began to merge to the right with relatively little room &#8211; it was rush hour &#8211; and I hear a scream &#8220;hey you fucking asshole mother fucker, etc&#8230;&#8230;.&#8221;  I see the girl on the bike whiz around me screaming and shaking her fist.  Basically she was shooting between cars in a dark tunnel with traffic moving at a good pace.    </p>
<p>As a cyclist, I would never pull the move she did.  I would pick a lane and follow a car.  Nobody would agree that a motorcycle has a right to pull such a move.  Neither does a bike.  I would have felt bad had I run her over.. But since I didn&#8217;t, I feel that she was very irresponsible.  </p>
<p>The only time I cut through traffic like that is if everybody is stopped at a red light.  And, in my years of riding here in DC, I have come to know that many drivers &#8211; especially cabbies- would be perfectly happy to run such a cyclist into the ground.</p>
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		<title>By: r.</title>
		<link>http://www.commutebybike.com/2008/01/05/obey-or-not/comment-page-1/#comment-69412</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 22:38:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In response to Lynn: I do not think that bike paths really solve any traffic qualms.  I believe that the only solution to letting cars know we have rights is to ride more often.  I am very much in favor of bike lanes, signals cyclists can trip, and bike boxes.  They help educate drivers to a different mode of transit while teaching cyclists how to maneuver in traffic.  

In response to J.: TN just passed a law saying motorcyclists can run a red light if during the night if NO oncoming traffic is present.  I believe this applies to cyclists as well, but I&#039;m no legal authority so don&#039;t hold me to it.  I still prefer not to do it b/c situations can and do change without me realizing it.  I usually just make a right turn and proceed through an alternate route.  It takes longer, but in the long run it&#039;s safer.  

To Lorna: I&#039;m truly sorry that someone hit your child; that&#039;s absolutely awful.  I wish I could help you change your mind about cyclists.  There&#039;s no excuse for what that person did, and I hope your daughter recovers speedily.  

Due care and caution are the best mottos.  When debating you can speak your minds, but please remember other people read your comments.  Cursing does not enhance your argument it only diminishes what your trying to say.  I admit I swear like a sailor, but it hasn&#039;t made me many friends in life.  I know we all have opinions and this debate does affect all of us.  Just remember your words have more power if you choose them wisely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In response to Lynn: I do not think that bike paths really solve any traffic qualms.  I believe that the only solution to letting cars know we have rights is to ride more often.  I am very much in favor of bike lanes, signals cyclists can trip, and bike boxes.  They help educate drivers to a different mode of transit while teaching cyclists how to maneuver in traffic.  </p>
<p>In response to J.: TN just passed a law saying motorcyclists can run a red light if during the night if NO oncoming traffic is present.  I believe this applies to cyclists as well, but I&#8217;m no legal authority so don&#8217;t hold me to it.  I still prefer not to do it b/c situations can and do change without me realizing it.  I usually just make a right turn and proceed through an alternate route.  It takes longer, but in the long run it&#8217;s safer.  </p>
<p>To Lorna: I&#8217;m truly sorry that someone hit your child; that&#8217;s absolutely awful.  I wish I could help you change your mind about cyclists.  There&#8217;s no excuse for what that person did, and I hope your daughter recovers speedily.  </p>
<p>Due care and caution are the best mottos.  When debating you can speak your minds, but please remember other people read your comments.  Cursing does not enhance your argument it only diminishes what your trying to say.  I admit I swear like a sailor, but it hasn&#8217;t made me many friends in life.  I know we all have opinions and this debate does affect all of us.  Just remember your words have more power if you choose them wisely.</p>
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		<title>By: j</title>
		<link>http://www.commutebybike.com/2008/01/05/obey-or-not/comment-page-1/#comment-69343</link>
		<dc:creator>j</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 10:34:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeppy, Quinn, et al,

I agree that bicycles are different to cars. I find that it often feels more frustrating to sit at a red light on a bike than in a car. My gut feeling is that in this situation, on my bike I have a better feel for if the cross road is clear that when in my car.

What I don&#039;t agree with is that this gives us the right to decide what laws do and do not apply to us. However, don&#039;t get too stressed about it on my account. There are plenty of other things in the world that concern me far more. I&#039;m not going to get too worked up about cyclists running red lights. I&#039;m not going to yell abuse or run you off the road for it. I&#039;m just going to maintain a slightly different perspective on the issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeppy, Quinn, et al,</p>
<p>I agree that bicycles are different to cars. I find that it often feels more frustrating to sit at a red light on a bike than in a car. My gut feeling is that in this situation, on my bike I have a better feel for if the cross road is clear that when in my car.</p>
<p>What I don&#8217;t agree with is that this gives us the right to decide what laws do and do not apply to us. However, don&#8217;t get too stressed about it on my account. There are plenty of other things in the world that concern me far more. I&#8217;m not going to get too worked up about cyclists running red lights. I&#8217;m not going to yell abuse or run you off the road for it. I&#8217;m just going to maintain a slightly different perspective on the issue.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeppy</title>
		<link>http://www.commutebybike.com/2008/01/05/obey-or-not/comment-page-1/#comment-69336</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeppy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 08:18:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In response to J.  
      Maybe its just me, but a BIKE IS NOT A CAR!  Cars are allowed on Freeways, bikes are not.  Where the car has the advantage to get somewhere quicker on a freeway where bikes are not allowed, I have the advantage to bend laws on my bike to be faster than traffic.  Don&#039;t be ignorant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In response to J.<br />
      Maybe its just me, but a BIKE IS NOT A CAR!  Cars are allowed on Freeways, bikes are not.  Where the car has the advantage to get somewhere quicker on a freeway where bikes are not allowed, I have the advantage to bend laws on my bike to be faster than traffic.  Don&#8217;t be ignorant.</p>
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		<title>By: doug</title>
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		<dc:creator>doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 23:29:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sometimes bicyclists fuck up and hurt people on rare occasions.  of course, drivers fuck up every day and kill hundreds of people every week.   gotta lay the smack down on the bikers though.  we&#039;re all drivers (apparently) and so few are bicyclists.  they&#039;re easy to target.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sometimes bicyclists fuck up and hurt people on rare occasions.  of course, drivers fuck up every day and kill hundreds of people every week.   gotta lay the smack down on the bikers though.  we&#8217;re all drivers (apparently) and so few are bicyclists.  they&#8217;re easy to target.</p>
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		<title>By: Lorna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lorna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 14:15:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oops didn&#039;t finish my point. I think that if cyclists are going to use roads there has to be a degree of competence i really think that once he crashed into my daughter he didnt need to then land on top of her by applying front brakes. Luckily my daughter is pretty solid and sufferred a large bump to her forehead only but there is no recompense for pedestrians who get hit by cyclists and yes i know its not the same as being run down by a car or bike but someone could get seriously hurt especially older adults.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oops didn&#8217;t finish my point. I think that if cyclists are going to use roads there has to be a degree of competence i really think that once he crashed into my daughter he didnt need to then land on top of her by applying front brakes. Luckily my daughter is pretty solid and sufferred a large bump to her forehead only but there is no recompense for pedestrians who get hit by cyclists and yes i know its not the same as being run down by a car or bike but someone could get seriously hurt especially older adults.</p>
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		<title>By: Lorna</title>
		<link>http://www.commutebybike.com/2008/01/05/obey-or-not/comment-page-1/#comment-69237</link>
		<dc:creator>Lorna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 14:11:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My experience on saturday has left me feeling very angry towards cyclists. I used to think they didn&#039;t get enough respect from car users however cyclists need to show respect to us pedestrians. Last saturday on an unusually clear morning on a straight road through my high street a male cyclist proceeded to run through a red light (we were on a pedestrian crossing) and crash into my 5 year old daughter. He then applied his brakes sending himself over the bikes handle bars and thus both mountain bike and large adult male landed on top of my daughter. His response was &quot; i&#039;m sorry i didn&#039;t see her&quot; I</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My experience on saturday has left me feeling very angry towards cyclists. I used to think they didn&#8217;t get enough respect from car users however cyclists need to show respect to us pedestrians. Last saturday on an unusually clear morning on a straight road through my high street a male cyclist proceeded to run through a red light (we were on a pedestrian crossing) and crash into my 5 year old daughter. He then applied his brakes sending himself over the bikes handle bars and thus both mountain bike and large adult male landed on top of my daughter. His response was &#8221; i&#8217;m sorry i didn&#8217;t see her&#8221; I</p>
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		<title>By: Quinn</title>
		<link>http://www.commutebybike.com/2008/01/05/obey-or-not/comment-page-1/#comment-69206</link>
		<dc:creator>Quinn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 08:18:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>J-

	a Roll-through, when approaching a stop sign (not light), a vehicle slows to check for other traffic and proceeds through (if there is no other vehicles), without actually coming to a complete stop.

	As far as the law, I think bicycles should (have to) follow modified vehicle laws.
		1. there is no way to sustain a high rate of speed for any large amount of time.

		2. There is no way a bicycle/cyclist can produce 100+ horsepower.

		3. Bicycles/cyclist don&#039;t way anything Near the average weight of a motor vehicle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>J-</p>
<p>	a Roll-through, when approaching a stop sign (not light), a vehicle slows to check for other traffic and proceeds through (if there is no other vehicles), without actually coming to a complete stop.</p>
<p>	As far as the law, I think bicycles should (have to) follow modified vehicle laws.<br />
		1. there is no way to sustain a high rate of speed for any large amount of time.</p>
<p>		2. There is no way a bicycle/cyclist can produce 100+ horsepower.</p>
<p>		3. Bicycles/cyclist don&#8217;t way anything Near the average weight of a motor vehicle.</p>
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