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	<title>Comments on: Stupid, but for different reasons</title>
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		<title>By: justin</title>
		<link>http://www.commutebybike.com/2008/03/31/stupid-but-for-different-reasons/comment-page-1/#comment-81679</link>
		<dc:creator>justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 02:44:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I live in portland oregon. there&#039;s a bike lane here that&#039;s even more stupid. it might be 20 yards long, on a two lane street that allow parking on both sides - with the exception of the aforementioned 20 yard segment. good intentions - the road to hell is paved with&#039;em, in portland, so is the road to the hospital.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live in portland oregon. there&#8217;s a bike lane here that&#8217;s even more stupid. it might be 20 yards long, on a two lane street that allow parking on both sides &#8211; with the exception of the aforementioned 20 yard segment. good intentions &#8211; the road to hell is paved with&#8217;em, in portland, so is the road to the hospital.</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer</title>
		<link>http://www.commutebybike.com/2008/03/31/stupid-but-for-different-reasons/comment-page-1/#comment-79924</link>
		<dc:creator>Jennifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 00:05:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dunno, I thought the Infiniti ad at the bottom was even stupider.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dunno, I thought the Infiniti ad at the bottom was even stupider.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed W</title>
		<link>http://www.commutebybike.com/2008/03/31/stupid-but-for-different-reasons/comment-page-1/#comment-79920</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 23:11:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There was one in eastern PA, I think, that had a bike lane stripe wandering on and off the pavement, and it varied in width from about 2 feet down to nothing.  I tried to find some photos but came up empty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was one in eastern PA, I think, that had a bike lane stripe wandering on and off the pavement, and it varied in width from about 2 feet down to nothing.  I tried to find some photos but came up empty.</p>
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		<title>By: Karl McCracken</title>
		<link>http://www.commutebybike.com/2008/03/31/stupid-but-for-different-reasons/comment-page-1/#comment-79914</link>
		<dc:creator>Karl McCracken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 21:34:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gateshead, Tyne &amp; Wear, UK. 10 metres long. Has to be &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://karlmccracken.sweat365.com/2008/03/31/worlds-shortest-cycle-lane/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;seen&lt;/a&gt; to be believed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gateshead, Tyne &amp; Wear, UK. 10 metres long. Has to be <a HREF="http://karlmccracken.sweat365.com/2008/03/31/worlds-shortest-cycle-lane/" rel="nofollow">seen</a> to be believed.</p>
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		<title>By: Mauricio Babilonia</title>
		<link>http://www.commutebybike.com/2008/03/31/stupid-but-for-different-reasons/comment-page-1/#comment-79909</link>
		<dc:creator>Mauricio Babilonia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 20:38:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not to toot my own horn too loudly, but I&#039;ve seen &lt;a href=&quot;http://sconnyboy.blogspot.com/2007/11/great-moments-in-bicycle-infrastructure.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;stupider&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not to toot my own horn too loudly, but I&#8217;ve seen <a href="http://sconnyboy.blogspot.com/2007/11/great-moments-in-bicycle-infrastructure.html" rel="nofollow">stupider</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: MikeOnBike</title>
		<link>http://www.commutebybike.com/2008/03/31/stupid-but-for-different-reasons/comment-page-1/#comment-79908</link>
		<dc:creator>MikeOnBike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 19:55:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not just a &quot;failure to properly mark the end of the bike lane&quot;.  All bike lanes end eventually.  Lots of bike lanes end *between intersections* simply by dropping the stripe.  The need to merge left is implied by the ending of the stripe.

The problem here, one that&#039;s (thankfully) less common, is that the bike lane continues all the way up to the intersection.  But on the other side, it&#039;s simply gone.  The implied merge, assuming the cyclist notices in time, is *within* the intersection.

That&#039;s simply not how intersections work.  It&#039;s certainly not how they work with ordinary travel lanes.  If that bike lane were an ordinary travel lane, it never would have been drawn that way, and certainly never been painted that way.  (I never use absolutes, but I&#039;ll make an exception in this case.)

Merges happen away from intersections, not *in* intersections.  Destination positioning at intersections requires there to actually be a destination (a receiving lane) on the far side of the intersection.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not just a &#8220;failure to properly mark the end of the bike lane&#8221;.  All bike lanes end eventually.  Lots of bike lanes end *between intersections* simply by dropping the stripe.  The need to merge left is implied by the ending of the stripe.</p>
<p>The problem here, one that&#8217;s (thankfully) less common, is that the bike lane continues all the way up to the intersection.  But on the other side, it&#8217;s simply gone.  The implied merge, assuming the cyclist notices in time, is *within* the intersection.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s simply not how intersections work.  It&#8217;s certainly not how they work with ordinary travel lanes.  If that bike lane were an ordinary travel lane, it never would have been drawn that way, and certainly never been painted that way.  (I never use absolutes, but I&#8217;ll make an exception in this case.)</p>
<p>Merges happen away from intersections, not *in* intersections.  Destination positioning at intersections requires there to actually be a destination (a receiving lane) on the far side of the intersection.</p>
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		<title>By: Nicole</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nicole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 19:31:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From the context, I think the &quot;a nice painted bike lane like this...&quot; statement was meant for bike lanes in general, not specifically that bike lane.  Off the top of my head, I can&#039;t think of more than one local bike lane that is completely out of the door zone (though usually the left side of the lane is).  There typically just isn&#039;t enough space on old, established streets to allow for this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the context, I think the &#8220;a nice painted bike lane like this&#8230;&#8221; statement was meant for bike lanes in general, not specifically that bike lane.  Off the top of my head, I can&#8217;t think of more than one local bike lane that is completely out of the door zone (though usually the left side of the lane is).  There typically just isn&#8217;t enough space on old, established streets to allow for this.</p>
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		<title>By: andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 19:22:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Check out the wide variety of high quality British cycling facilities showcased by the Warrington Cycle Campaign at http://homepage.ntlworld.com/pete.meg/wcc/facility-of-the-month/index.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Check out the wide variety of high quality British cycling facilities showcased by the Warrington Cycle Campaign at <a href="http://homepage.ntlworld.com/pete.meg/wcc/facility-of-the-month/index.htm" rel="nofollow">http://homepage.ntlworld.com/pete.meg/wcc/facility-of-the-month/index.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: william</title>
		<link>http://www.commutebybike.com/2008/03/31/stupid-but-for-different-reasons/comment-page-1/#comment-79897</link>
		<dc:creator>william</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 18:30:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>most bike lanes I&#039;ve seen are in the door zone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>most bike lanes I&#8217;ve seen are in the door zone.</p>
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		<title>By: wtf</title>
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		<dc:creator>wtf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 18:26:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I saw plenty bike lanes just as short, ending without notice in America&#039;s heartland.  I never saw a door zone bike lane. that just looked dangerous!  the first time i saw it i was half expecing the bike lane stupidity to be a door prise!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw plenty bike lanes just as short, ending without notice in America&#8217;s heartland.  I never saw a door zone bike lane. that just looked dangerous!  the first time i saw it i was half expecing the bike lane stupidity to be a door prise!</p>
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