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		<title>By: Sebastian H</title>
		<link>http://www.commutebybike.com/2008/04/19/the-bike-industry-is-coming-along/comment-page-1/#comment-82422</link>
		<dc:creator>Sebastian H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 14:42:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dutch bikes!

-Chain guard
-Fenders and mudflaps
-Internal drum brakes
-Internal three or 8 speed hubs
-Dynamo/generator lights
-Sturdy
-Comfortable
-Large load carrying capacity
-Reasonably fast
-Priced well under a thousand bucks

In the Netherlands they cost between 500 and 600 Euros (ca. $750-900). Importing makes them ridiculously expensive (as the Dutchbike company in Seattle proves) If someone would start making these quality bikes here, price could come down and make them more affordable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dutch bikes!</p>
<p>-Chain guard<br />
-Fenders and mudflaps<br />
-Internal drum brakes<br />
-Internal three or 8 speed hubs<br />
-Dynamo/generator lights<br />
-Sturdy<br />
-Comfortable<br />
-Large load carrying capacity<br />
-Reasonably fast<br />
-Priced well under a thousand bucks</p>
<p>In the Netherlands they cost between 500 and 600 Euros (ca. $750-900). Importing makes them ridiculously expensive (as the Dutchbike company in Seattle proves) If someone would start making these quality bikes here, price could come down and make them more affordable.</p>
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		<title>By: nat</title>
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		<dc:creator>nat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 15:08:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@jazzy:

You hit the nail on the head with your last sentence: it&#039;s perceived safety that is the problem, not safety. Unless Pittsburgh is some sort of statistical anomaly, you are already safer on your bike than in a car--and safer from cars on the road than on the sidewalk. It&#039;s just that a near miss is scarier on a bike than in a car, where we might not even be aware of it. Not that it wouldn&#039;t be great if cycling were even safer, but if the danger of being in a car doesn&#039;t keep people off roads, the lesser danger of being on a bike really shouldn&#039;t, either. 

Maybe the big bike companies should quit funding helmet ads, and start funding PSAs whose message is &quot;oh my god! you ride in a car! don&#039;t you value your safety?&quot; alternating with &quot;bikes should obey the traffic laws. if you follow the rules of the road and exercise due caution, you&#039;re safer there than in a car.&quot;

Oh, and regarding drop handlebars: i&#039;m not surprised you don&#039;t find them comfortable, because they have the same exact problem most flat bars do: all the hand positions are either perpendicular to the long axis of the bike, or parallel to it. My contention is that most (not all, but most) people&#039;s relaxed hand position when their arms are in front of them is somewhere between these two extremes. For me, it&#039;s at about a 45deg angle. Yet both of the most common types of handlebars don&#039;t provide any hand positions that match this. I think that&#039;s what&#039;s driving the rise in popularity of all the &quot;weird&quot; handlebars, all of which (except ramhorns) share this characteristic: moustache, northroad, albatross, dove, randonneur, h-bar, butterfly, etc. What&#039;s holding back greater adoption is shifters and brake levers optimized for the two traditional shapes--i have drop bars right now, because setting up albatross bars so that i have a brake lever under my fingers at all points is a real pain. I may yet switch, nonetheless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@jazzy:</p>
<p>You hit the nail on the head with your last sentence: it&#8217;s perceived safety that is the problem, not safety. Unless Pittsburgh is some sort of statistical anomaly, you are already safer on your bike than in a car&#8211;and safer from cars on the road than on the sidewalk. It&#8217;s just that a near miss is scarier on a bike than in a car, where we might not even be aware of it. Not that it wouldn&#8217;t be great if cycling were even safer, but if the danger of being in a car doesn&#8217;t keep people off roads, the lesser danger of being on a bike really shouldn&#8217;t, either. </p>
<p>Maybe the big bike companies should quit funding helmet ads, and start funding PSAs whose message is &#8220;oh my god! you ride in a car! don&#8217;t you value your safety?&#8221; alternating with &#8220;bikes should obey the traffic laws. if you follow the rules of the road and exercise due caution, you&#8217;re safer there than in a car.&#8221;</p>
<p>Oh, and regarding drop handlebars: i&#8217;m not surprised you don&#8217;t find them comfortable, because they have the same exact problem most flat bars do: all the hand positions are either perpendicular to the long axis of the bike, or parallel to it. My contention is that most (not all, but most) people&#8217;s relaxed hand position when their arms are in front of them is somewhere between these two extremes. For me, it&#8217;s at about a 45deg angle. Yet both of the most common types of handlebars don&#8217;t provide any hand positions that match this. I think that&#8217;s what&#8217;s driving the rise in popularity of all the &#8220;weird&#8221; handlebars, all of which (except ramhorns) share this characteristic: moustache, northroad, albatross, dove, randonneur, h-bar, butterfly, etc. What&#8217;s holding back greater adoption is shifters and brake levers optimized for the two traditional shapes&#8211;i have drop bars right now, because setting up albatross bars so that i have a brake lever under my fingers at all points is a real pain. I may yet switch, nonetheless.</p>
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		<title>By: Jared</title>
		<link>http://www.commutebybike.com/2008/04/19/the-bike-industry-is-coming-along/comment-page-1/#comment-81697</link>
		<dc:creator>Jared</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 07:48:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about lobbying for mileage reimbursements for people who commute by bike rather than drive?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about lobbying for mileage reimbursements for people who commute by bike rather than drive?</p>
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		<title>By: jazzy</title>
		<link>http://www.commutebybike.com/2008/04/19/the-bike-industry-is-coming-along/comment-page-1/#comment-81672</link>
		<dc:creator>jazzy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 01:12:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh my...such passion about handlebars and such assumption of &quot;what is comfortable for all. Someone in this dialogue got it right: there are different tastes. I actually prefer my mountain bike handlebars. Really. I have a road bike with curvy bars and I hate them to the point that I am almost never in  them and enjoy that bike the least. I use my older, first mountain bike with semi-slicks as my commuter because it is much more comfortable and can handle the rack, rampant potholes of Pittsburgh, and sidewalks of Pittsburgh (due to my paranoia about being hit again on my commute by un-looking, speed-loving, distracted car commuters. Right on about bundling: put the rack, blinky, headlight, pannier together. And get me a SAFE way to ride, and you&#039;ll see the &quot;sea of riders.&quot; Plus, if it&#039;s not flat as a pancake where you live, you are bound to SWEAT. Tax-breaks for employers who put in showers. Bike manufacturers should focus on advocacy, incentives, and infrastructure for commuters to grow the overall market share. Most riders I know ride more than one style - they are mountain-bikers at heart but like to road-ride sometimes. Or they are dedicated commuters and touring cyclists who also happen to be darn good mountain-bikers. Some applications are optimized with special equipment, but to get a bigger market, commuting is the best opportunity and the one with most need for better, safer -- or perceived safer -- routes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh my&#8230;such passion about handlebars and such assumption of &#8220;what is comfortable for all. Someone in this dialogue got it right: there are different tastes. I actually prefer my mountain bike handlebars. Really. I have a road bike with curvy bars and I hate them to the point that I am almost never in  them and enjoy that bike the least. I use my older, first mountain bike with semi-slicks as my commuter because it is much more comfortable and can handle the rack, rampant potholes of Pittsburgh, and sidewalks of Pittsburgh (due to my paranoia about being hit again on my commute by un-looking, speed-loving, distracted car commuters. Right on about bundling: put the rack, blinky, headlight, pannier together. And get me a SAFE way to ride, and you&#8217;ll see the &#8220;sea of riders.&#8221; Plus, if it&#8217;s not flat as a pancake where you live, you are bound to SWEAT. Tax-breaks for employers who put in showers. Bike manufacturers should focus on advocacy, incentives, and infrastructure for commuters to grow the overall market share. Most riders I know ride more than one style &#8211; they are mountain-bikers at heart but like to road-ride sometimes. Or they are dedicated commuters and touring cyclists who also happen to be darn good mountain-bikers. Some applications are optimized with special equipment, but to get a bigger market, commuting is the best opportunity and the one with most need for better, safer &#8212; or perceived safer &#8212; routes.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 05:26:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am surprised that no one mentions towing a trailer?  Perhaps 5-10% of commuters are towing kids to day care etc., and a trailer leaves room to haul a few items without a rack.  Problem is the trailer means more gearing range and braking power (it you have hills) are desirable.  It would be nice to see a &quot;purpose built&quot; tow bicycle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am surprised that no one mentions towing a trailer?  Perhaps 5-10% of commuters are towing kids to day care etc., and a trailer leaves room to haul a few items without a rack.  Problem is the trailer means more gearing range and braking power (it you have hills) are desirable.  It would be nice to see a &#8220;purpose built&#8221; tow bicycle.</p>
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		<title>By: stan</title>
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		<dc:creator>stan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 19:47:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I remember well my days when I thought &quot;spending $399 on a bike is splurging&quot;
My first MTB was a steel Alivio-equipped Trek 830, which was fun to ride compared to a $199 DB Sorrento, which rode like an anchor.

Ideal commuter for the new cyclist/commuter.

- Cheap ($500 max. still the magic price point)

-Chainguard, kickstand, front and rear blinkies included.
-Computer included (some of the newbies may be amazed at how fast they are going or how many miles they have racked up; it was a great encouragement for me)

- Efficient as possible, rolls fast (700 wheels, 28c to 32c for comfort)
  (Needs to be able tackle hills even if person is just of moderate fitness) that means wide gearing,  At least a 1 x 9 with a 32 in back.
- If it is going to come with a rack it should come with pannier/grocery bag or something they can get for under $30
- Fenders can be optional, because most newbies probably won&#039;t ride in foul weather...free lock and rack would be more appealing
-  Free lessons on how to lock bike and ride in traffic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember well my days when I thought &#8220;spending $399 on a bike is splurging&#8221;<br />
My first MTB was a steel Alivio-equipped Trek 830, which was fun to ride compared to a $199 DB Sorrento, which rode like an anchor.</p>
<p>Ideal commuter for the new cyclist/commuter.</p>
<p>- Cheap ($500 max. still the magic price point)</p>
<p>-Chainguard, kickstand, front and rear blinkies included.<br />
-Computer included (some of the newbies may be amazed at how fast they are going or how many miles they have racked up; it was a great encouragement for me)</p>
<p>- Efficient as possible, rolls fast (700 wheels, 28c to 32c for comfort)<br />
  (Needs to be able tackle hills even if person is just of moderate fitness) that means wide gearing,  At least a 1 x 9 with a 32 in back.<br />
- If it is going to come with a rack it should come with pannier/grocery bag or something they can get for under $30<br />
- Fenders can be optional, because most newbies probably won&#8217;t ride in foul weather&#8230;free lock and rack would be more appealing<br />
-  Free lessons on how to lock bike and ride in traffic.</p>
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		<title>By: Keith Wikle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keith Wikle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 13:17:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I worked at General Motors at the customer service call center when I was fresh out of college (late 90s) . One sales statistic that was oft repeated by management has stuck with me. 

It is astronomically easier and more likely that you will be able to sell more to a customer you already have, than it is to find and close new customers. 

Converting the lethargic republic into a vast armada of cyclists will be no easy feat. Certainly offering simplicity bikes, and making cycling appeal to the more proletarian masses is a good and divine goal. 

My two local bike shops stock primarily racing and mountain bikes. Each shop has a dejected corner where a hybrid bike or two sits that the mechanics scoff at dejectedly. If the sex appeal that surrounds the ubiquitous racing bikes were used to promote everyday bikes perhaps there would be some change. 

Until then they will most likely continue to thrive on the up-sell to the small, but already converted zealots of diocese of cycling. 

Also gas hit 117.00 a barrel, maybe change is coming?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I worked at General Motors at the customer service call center when I was fresh out of college (late 90s) . One sales statistic that was oft repeated by management has stuck with me. </p>
<p>It is astronomically easier and more likely that you will be able to sell more to a customer you already have, than it is to find and close new customers. </p>
<p>Converting the lethargic republic into a vast armada of cyclists will be no easy feat. Certainly offering simplicity bikes, and making cycling appeal to the more proletarian masses is a good and divine goal. </p>
<p>My two local bike shops stock primarily racing and mountain bikes. Each shop has a dejected corner where a hybrid bike or two sits that the mechanics scoff at dejectedly. If the sex appeal that surrounds the ubiquitous racing bikes were used to promote everyday bikes perhaps there would be some change. </p>
<p>Until then they will most likely continue to thrive on the up-sell to the small, but already converted zealots of diocese of cycling. </p>
<p>Also gas hit 117.00 a barrel, maybe change is coming?</p>
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		<title>By: FT</title>
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		<dc:creator>FT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 04:23:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is a shame that the large discount stores continue to sell bikes that are neither quality mountain bikes nor good commuters.  Heavy, cheap and a poor choice for their intended use - commuting for most!   Look back at the good old days of single and three speed Schwinn&#039;s and Huffy&#039;s, coaster brakes, chain guards, baskets.  As the industry focused on the &quot;Sports&quot; side of the bicycle they all but forgot commuters, utility and touring bikes in favor of the racers.  Too bad!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is a shame that the large discount stores continue to sell bikes that are neither quality mountain bikes nor good commuters.  Heavy, cheap and a poor choice for their intended use &#8211; commuting for most!   Look back at the good old days of single and three speed Schwinn&#8217;s and Huffy&#8217;s, coaster brakes, chain guards, baskets.  As the industry focused on the &#8220;Sports&#8221; side of the bicycle they all but forgot commuters, utility and touring bikes in favor of the racers.  Too bad!</p>
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		<title>By: Jared</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jared</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 03:33:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Nat, now that I&#039;ve rethought it.  Custom build.

Girl Jen: My cousin and I have talked about this very thing.  Something more &quot;commuter friendly&quot; that competes with the Walmart set.  Also, it would have to have components that are workable.  I know of a few LBSs here in SLC that won&#039;t touch department store bikes because they are so labor intensive (ever tried replacing a BB on a Next bike?  Good luck!).  

Also, I think that a line of inexpensive, but fully customizable bikes would be sweet.  For instance, budget lowriders and bikes that can have bling, but affordable bling.  Does that make sense?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Nat, now that I&#8217;ve rethought it.  Custom build.</p>
<p>Girl Jen: My cousin and I have talked about this very thing.  Something more &#8220;commuter friendly&#8221; that competes with the Walmart set.  Also, it would have to have components that are workable.  I know of a few LBSs here in SLC that won&#8217;t touch department store bikes because they are so labor intensive (ever tried replacing a BB on a Next bike?  Good luck!).  </p>
<p>Also, I think that a line of inexpensive, but fully customizable bikes would be sweet.  For instance, budget lowriders and bikes that can have bling, but affordable bling.  Does that make sense?</p>
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		<title>By: wannaCmore</title>
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		<dc:creator>wannaCmore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 13:51:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Advocacy/Infrastructure.  Kickstands/Chainguards.  The slogan &quot;JUST SAY NO TO FUEL, FOOL!&quot; (with Mr. T as the spokesperson).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Advocacy/Infrastructure.  Kickstands/Chainguards.  The slogan &#8220;JUST SAY NO TO FUEL, FOOL!&#8221; (with Mr. T as the spokesperson).</p>
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