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	<title>Comments on: Drunk driver slams into a Mexican bike race, killing one</title>
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		<title>By: Blue</title>
		<link>http://www.commutebybike.com/2008/06/03/drunk-driver-slams-into-a-mexican-bike-race-killing-one/comment-page-1/#comment-83972</link>
		<dc:creator>Blue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 17:13:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey I found a really interesting set of reports:

http://safety.fhwa.dot.gov/ped_bike/docs/ctanbike.pdf

and 

http://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/pdf/nrd-30/NCSA/TSF2003/809768.pdf

It is interesting to note that with an over taking motorist that failed to detect the cyclist, the cyclist had a nearly 50-50 chance of being seriously hurt (duh, because of the speed!). and there was an equal chance of this happening in the daytime as in the nigttime.

also note that a lot of adults get hurt in on-coming traffic that is turning left.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey I found a really interesting set of reports:</p>
<p><a href="http://safety.fhwa.dot.gov/ped_bike/docs/ctanbike.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://safety.fhwa.dot.gov/ped_bike/docs/ctanbike.pdf</a></p>
<p>and </p>
<p><a href="http://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/pdf/nrd-30/NCSA/TSF2003/809768.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/pdf/nrd-30/NCSA/TSF2003/809768.pdf</a></p>
<p>It is interesting to note that with an over taking motorist that failed to detect the cyclist, the cyclist had a nearly 50-50 chance of being seriously hurt (duh, because of the speed!). and there was an equal chance of this happening in the daytime as in the nigttime.</p>
<p>also note that a lot of adults get hurt in on-coming traffic that is turning left.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Grahl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Grahl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 16:52:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MikeOnBike: Yes, car crashes kill people everyday, but I think it&#039;s the exposure that&#039;s scary.  If you get hit head on by a car, the odds are greater that you&#039;ll live through it if you&#039;re in a car vs on a bike.  Fritz is right on that riding a bike IS safe and millions do it everyday, but that fact still remains.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MikeOnBike: Yes, car crashes kill people everyday, but I think it&#8217;s the exposure that&#8217;s scary.  If you get hit head on by a car, the odds are greater that you&#8217;ll live through it if you&#8217;re in a car vs on a bike.  Fritz is right on that riding a bike IS safe and millions do it everyday, but that fact still remains.</p>
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		<title>By: MikeOnBike</title>
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		<dc:creator>MikeOnBike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 16:49:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fritz said: &quot;We don&#039;t talk about how &quot;lucky&quot; we are when we escape from an outdoor shopping mall with our lives&quot;

Same thing when we drive our cars.  Despite the 100 car occupants killed in the U.S. every day.

The common theme is that an out-of-control motorist can kill anybody anywhere.  It doesn&#039;t matter if you&#039;re in a car, on a bike, on foot, or sitting in your living room.

It&#039;s the out-of-control motorist that&#039;s dangerous, not the victim.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fritz said: &#8220;We don&#8217;t talk about how &#8220;lucky&#8221; we are when we escape from an outdoor shopping mall with our lives&#8221;</p>
<p>Same thing when we drive our cars.  Despite the 100 car occupants killed in the U.S. every day.</p>
<p>The common theme is that an out-of-control motorist can kill anybody anywhere.  It doesn&#8217;t matter if you&#8217;re in a car, on a bike, on foot, or sitting in your living room.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s the out-of-control motorist that&#8217;s dangerous, not the victim.</p>
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		<title>By: Ghost Rider</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ghost Rider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 01:00:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Blue...all the crash statistics you can stomach right here:

http://www.bicyclinginfo.org/facts/

My heart goes out to the riders and their families.  I hope the Mexican authorities throw away the key to the cell holding this menace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blue&#8230;all the crash statistics you can stomach right here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.bicyclinginfo.org/facts/" rel="nofollow">http://www.bicyclinginfo.org/facts/</a></p>
<p>My heart goes out to the riders and their families.  I hope the Mexican authorities throw away the key to the cell holding this menace.</p>
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		<title>By: Fritz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fritz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 22:45:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aagh, I didn&#039;t intend to post that video right now. I&#039;ve removed it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aagh, I didn&#8217;t intend to post that video right now. I&#8217;ve removed it.</p>
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		<title>By: bikesgonewild</title>
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		<dc:creator>bikesgonewild</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 22:27:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...fritz, my friend...while your words ring very true, i&#039;m stunned enough by the accident pictures, i can&#039;t even enjoy the &#039;message&#039; of the cartoon...i understand it goes hand in hand w/ the obvious dichotomy you&#039;ve presented for us...

...unfortunately, people outside the world of cycling need to see photos like that, to be reminded just what it looks like when the vulnerability of a cyclist is violated...

...harsh fucking reality...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;fritz, my friend&#8230;while your words ring very true, i&#8217;m stunned enough by the accident pictures, i can&#8217;t even enjoy the &#8216;message&#8217; of the cartoon&#8230;i understand it goes hand in hand w/ the obvious dichotomy you&#8217;ve presented for us&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230;unfortunately, people outside the world of cycling need to see photos like that, to be reminded just what it looks like when the vulnerability of a cyclist is violated&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230;harsh fucking reality&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Fritz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fritz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 20:42:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is awful.

Something to keep in mind: In 2003, &lt;b&gt;George Weller drove his Buick LeSabre 60 mph into a crowded farmers market&lt;/b&gt; in Santa Monica, California, &lt;b&gt;killing 10 people and injuring 63.&lt;/b&gt; We don&#039;t talk about how &quot;&lt;u&gt;lucky&lt;/u&gt;&quot; we are when we escape from an outdoor shopping mall with our lives -- we shudder at the tragedy of these losses, but we also recognize them for the random and uncommon events that they are. Cycling is a daily, routine activity for millions of people.

[ somewhat tasteless cartoon removed ]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is awful.</p>
<p>Something to keep in mind: In 2003, <b>George Weller drove his Buick LeSabre 60 mph into a crowded farmers market</b> in Santa Monica, California, <b>killing 10 people and injuring 63.</b> We don&#8217;t talk about how &#8220;<u>lucky</u>&#8221; we are when we escape from an outdoor shopping mall with our lives &#8212; we shudder at the tragedy of these losses, but we also recognize them for the random and uncommon events that they are. Cycling is a daily, routine activity for millions of people.</p>
<p>[ somewhat tasteless cartoon removed ]</p>
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		<title>By: LosFelizRider</title>
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		<dc:creator>LosFelizRider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 16:46:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The news photograph is horrific.  In essence, it is a picture of a mass murder in progress.

The driver needs the book thrown at him.  

Ride on.  (And safely.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The news photograph is horrific.  In essence, it is a picture of a mass murder in progress.</p>
<p>The driver needs the book thrown at him.  </p>
<p>Ride on.  (And safely.)</p>
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		<title>By: Juan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Juan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 16:22:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First, I&#039;d like to extend my best wishes for the riders and families involved, and special remorse for the rider who was killed.

Like Hyper says, everyone has their time, but Casey brings up great points.  After many years racing and commuting, I&#039;ve been lucky enough to never be involved in a bicycle/car related accident, but you have to put yourself in a lucky postion to start with.  I&#039;m still amazed at all the white iPod cords I see dangling from people&#039;s ears.  Another thing I can&#039;t understand is this mentality of pack riders who ride 3 or 4 abreast, out in traffic, just so they can chat while they ride.  These are the kind of actions that put you in an unlucky position.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, I&#8217;d like to extend my best wishes for the riders and families involved, and special remorse for the rider who was killed.</p>
<p>Like Hyper says, everyone has their time, but Casey brings up great points.  After many years racing and commuting, I&#8217;ve been lucky enough to never be involved in a bicycle/car related accident, but you have to put yourself in a lucky postion to start with.  I&#8217;m still amazed at all the white iPod cords I see dangling from people&#8217;s ears.  Another thing I can&#8217;t understand is this mentality of pack riders who ride 3 or 4 abreast, out in traffic, just so they can chat while they ride.  These are the kind of actions that put you in an unlucky position.</p>
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		<title>By: Herman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Herman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 16:21:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This site here reports that the total killed were five:

http://www.newschannel5.tv/2008/6/2/992215/Valley-Residents-Killed-in-Matamoros-Crash</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This site here reports that the total killed were five:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.newschannel5.tv/2008/6/2/992215/Valley-Residents-Killed-in-Matamoros-Crash" rel="nofollow">http://www.newschannel5.tv/2008/6/2/992215/Valley-Residents-Killed-in-Matamoros-Crash</a></p>
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