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		<title>By: Seville</title>
		<link>http://www.commutebybike.com/2010/11/05/a-thought-experiment-on-bike-commuting-safety/comment-page-1/#comment-227828</link>
		<dc:creator>Seville</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Nov 2010 05:56:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let’s say the robot is programmed with the ultimate in situational awareness and the ability to differentiate threats from non-threats and to quantify probability of accidents as well as accurately determine consequences. The robot would be able to assess all risks presented along the route and manage them. All you need to do is dial in your risk tolerance threshold. Because you are transporting the precious thing, you may select a somewhat low tolerance for risk. But not too low, because you want the robot to arrive within an hour at the destination, not in a week.  My guess is the robot would depart from traffic laws/rules fairly often along its route because these generic “one size fits all” requirements would often be interpreted as arbitrary and inconsistent with respect to managing of actual risks encountered. Similarly the robot may disappoint a few motorists as its risk management actions may cause some temporary inconvenience to others.

It’s possible that you could dial in some form of “cultural bias” with a knob. Let’s put it on the robot&#039;s forehead just for fun. Depending on how far you turn the knob this would introduce a degree of conformance to laws, rules, and social norms, wishes of others, etc. Turn up the knob just a little and the robot will trade off low level risks in favor of conformance. Turn it up too far and the robot begins to ignore threats and active management of risks, and instead conforms to a generic scheme of orderliness that may or may not address actual risks associated with specific circumstances.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let’s say the robot is programmed with the ultimate in situational awareness and the ability to differentiate threats from non-threats and to quantify probability of accidents as well as accurately determine consequences. The robot would be able to assess all risks presented along the route and manage them. All you need to do is dial in your risk tolerance threshold. Because you are transporting the precious thing, you may select a somewhat low tolerance for risk. But not too low, because you want the robot to arrive within an hour at the destination, not in a week.  My guess is the robot would depart from traffic laws/rules fairly often along its route because these generic “one size fits all” requirements would often be interpreted as arbitrary and inconsistent with respect to managing of actual risks encountered. Similarly the robot may disappoint a few motorists as its risk management actions may cause some temporary inconvenience to others.</p>
<p>It’s possible that you could dial in some form of “cultural bias” with a knob. Let’s put it on the robot&#8217;s forehead just for fun. Depending on how far you turn the knob this would introduce a degree of conformance to laws, rules, and social norms, wishes of others, etc. Turn up the knob just a little and the robot will trade off low level risks in favor of conformance. Turn it up too far and the robot begins to ignore threats and active management of risks, and instead conforms to a generic scheme of orderliness that may or may not address actual risks associated with specific circumstances.</p>
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		<title>By: peteathome</title>
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		<dc:creator>peteathome</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Nov 2010 19:23:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are you asking me how a person would safely ride or how a robot would do it? As i said above, I find the thought experiment useless from understanding how a person would do it because we are not robots and our processing is totally different.

If you really want to know how I&#039;d do it for a robot I would use much of the same software we used for Darpa&#039;s &quot;Urban Challenge&quot;, the autonomous vehicle playoff. They actually DO follow all the rules of the road since you would be causing massive mayhem if you didn&#039;t . But assuming I don&#039;t give a fig about what happens to other road users, I might modify the software a bit - go ahead and cause other collisions if it would avoid me getting into one. But I have to admit I don&#039;t see how I would at this point. The cars have collision detection systems that they already use to maneuver out of potential collisions. I suppose if I was programming for a skinny bicycle that also had really high robotic acceleration I might try to maneuver between two approaching cars, etc. as a last ditch avoidence method.

As for &quot;programming&quot; flesh and blood bicycle riding humans, I would recommend any fo the well-written articles and books on vehicular cycling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are you asking me how a person would safely ride or how a robot would do it? As i said above, I find the thought experiment useless from understanding how a person would do it because we are not robots and our processing is totally different.</p>
<p>If you really want to know how I&#8217;d do it for a robot I would use much of the same software we used for Darpa&#8217;s &#8220;Urban Challenge&#8221;, the autonomous vehicle playoff. They actually DO follow all the rules of the road since you would be causing massive mayhem if you didn&#8217;t . But assuming I don&#8217;t give a fig about what happens to other road users, I might modify the software a bit &#8211; go ahead and cause other collisions if it would avoid me getting into one. But I have to admit I don&#8217;t see how I would at this point. The cars have collision detection systems that they already use to maneuver out of potential collisions. I suppose if I was programming for a skinny bicycle that also had really high robotic acceleration I might try to maneuver between two approaching cars, etc. as a last ditch avoidence method.</p>
<p>As for &#8220;programming&#8221; flesh and blood bicycle riding humans, I would recommend any fo the well-written articles and books on vehicular cycling.</p>
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		<title>By: BluesCat</title>
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		<dc:creator>BluesCat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Nov 2010 19:21:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, BTW, great experiment, Ted!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, BTW, great experiment, Ted!</p>
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		<title>By: BluesCat</title>
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		<dc:creator>BluesCat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Nov 2010 19:20:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My programming for the robot would be REALLY simple:  maintain a safe bike speed for the road conditions and the weather, altering speed and/or direction ONLY when the proximity of other road occupants dictates that maintaining the present speed and/or course will lead to a collision.

Notice:  I didn&#039;t say anything about traffic laws.  Man-made traffic laws can&#039;t hold a candle to innate common sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My programming for the robot would be REALLY simple:  maintain a safe bike speed for the road conditions and the weather, altering speed and/or direction ONLY when the proximity of other road occupants dictates that maintaining the present speed and/or course will lead to a collision.</p>
<p>Notice:  I didn&#8217;t say anything about traffic laws.  Man-made traffic laws can&#8217;t hold a candle to innate common sense.</p>
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		<title>By: peteathome</title>
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		<dc:creator>peteathome</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Nov 2010 19:10:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry for the misquote - the page will no longer load, for me at least. I found the posting elsewhere and here is &quot;the rule&quot; I object to that I think will get people killed:
&quot;A moving bike is a safer bike, as momentum allows you to skirt obstacles and avoid danger from any direction.  Sitting motionless in the road at a stop sign or light, a cyclist is at his or her most vulnerable&quot; Followed by the above advice to &quot;carefully&quot; run stop signs and lights.

I&#039;m sorry, but this is the most utter nonsense I have ever seen. It is not based on any science or study that I know of but is apparently a random thought our of the bloggers head. Please don&#039;t utter such things on a blog read by people trying to learn how to safely ride a bike.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry for the misquote &#8211; the page will no longer load, for me at least. I found the posting elsewhere and here is &#8220;the rule&#8221; I object to that I think will get people killed:<br />
&#8220;A moving bike is a safer bike, as momentum allows you to skirt obstacles and avoid danger from any direction.  Sitting motionless in the road at a stop sign or light, a cyclist is at his or her most vulnerable&#8221; Followed by the above advice to &#8220;carefully&#8221; run stop signs and lights.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry, but this is the most utter nonsense I have ever seen. It is not based on any science or study that I know of but is apparently a random thought our of the bloggers head. Please don&#8217;t utter such things on a blog read by people trying to learn how to safely ride a bike.</p>
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		<title>By: Ted Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ted Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Nov 2010 18:28:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, how &lt;i&gt;would&lt;/i&gt; you program the robot?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, how <i>would</i> you program the robot?</p>
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		<title>By: Ted Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ted Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Nov 2010 18:08:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What King wrote was, &quot;slow down, look carefully and keep moving if the way is clear.&quot; Whether or not you think that is good advice, it&#039;s quite different--the near opposite in fact--from saying &quot;never slow down or stop for lights.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What King wrote was, &#8220;slow down, look carefully and keep moving if the way is clear.&#8221; Whether or not you think that is good advice, it&#8217;s quite different&#8211;the near opposite in fact&#8211;from saying &#8220;never slow down or stop for lights.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: peteathome</title>
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		<dc:creator>peteathome</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Nov 2010 17:39:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The robot experiement concept is, in my opinion, an invalid way of looking at things. A robot can be always hyperalert, constantly evaluating, without fatigue, all inputs, and constantly make nanosecond decisions in avoiding collisions. So how I would program a robot is entirely different from how I would bike as a human. That&#039;s one of the reasons I object to the tone (and the rules) of &quot;10 rules&quot;. it&#039;s turning bicycling into an adrenaline sport. While I occasionally enjoy such things, I don&#039;t want my daily commute to be a trill sport.

The ideal way to bicycle is to learn an approach that minimizes conflicts with other vehicles. That way, if a bicyclist or motorist makes an error, as we humans do from time to time, the probability of a collision is low.

By minimizing conflicts, it also makes bicycling a more relaxed, enjoyable experience. That&#039;s what vehicular bicycling is all about. It&#039;s not about obeying some arbitrary set of rules. It&#039;s about internalizing an approach to traffic to the point you don&#039;t have to think about interactions most of the time.

It&#039;s about making bicycling a safe, efficient and pleasurable activity, where you can spend your time enjoying the beauriful day from your bike, rather than spending every second dodging traffic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The robot experiement concept is, in my opinion, an invalid way of looking at things. A robot can be always hyperalert, constantly evaluating, without fatigue, all inputs, and constantly make nanosecond decisions in avoiding collisions. So how I would program a robot is entirely different from how I would bike as a human. That&#8217;s one of the reasons I object to the tone (and the rules) of &#8220;10 rules&#8221;. it&#8217;s turning bicycling into an adrenaline sport. While I occasionally enjoy such things, I don&#8217;t want my daily commute to be a trill sport.</p>
<p>The ideal way to bicycle is to learn an approach that minimizes conflicts with other vehicles. That way, if a bicyclist or motorist makes an error, as we humans do from time to time, the probability of a collision is low.</p>
<p>By minimizing conflicts, it also makes bicycling a more relaxed, enjoyable experience. That&#8217;s what vehicular bicycling is all about. It&#8217;s not about obeying some arbitrary set of rules. It&#8217;s about internalizing an approach to traffic to the point you don&#8217;t have to think about interactions most of the time.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s about making bicycling a safe, efficient and pleasurable activity, where you can spend your time enjoying the beauriful day from your bike, rather than spending every second dodging traffic.</p>
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		<title>By: peteathome</title>
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		<dc:creator>peteathome</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Nov 2010 16:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a shame that that &quot;10 rules for urban cycling&quot; was allowed to be posted in this wonderful blog.

His first rule of never slowing down or stopping for lights shows an incredible ignorance of what actually gets bicyclists injured or killed.

I hope noone took his advice and got themselves hit by a car.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a shame that that &#8220;10 rules for urban cycling&#8221; was allowed to be posted in this wonderful blog.</p>
<p>His first rule of never slowing down or stopping for lights shows an incredible ignorance of what actually gets bicyclists injured or killed.</p>
<p>I hope noone took his advice and got themselves hit by a car.</p>
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		<title>By: Ted Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ted Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Nov 2010 21:49:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find it interesting that, among those who are participating in the thought experiment, many are saying that the robot should obey traffic laws &lt;em&gt;except&lt;/em&gt; or &lt;em&gt;unless&lt;/em&gt; certain dangerous situations arise. I&#039;d like to follow up on &lt;a href=&quot;/2010/11/05/a-thought-experiment-on-bike-commuting-safety/comment-page-1/#comment-227505&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Josh Lipton&#039;s comment&lt;/a&gt;, &quot;If our robot bike commuter somehow was able to accurately calculate risk levels, quantified risk choices could be made.&quot;

Okay. Suppose that the robot were completely indifferent to traffic laws, but could be programmed with data on how motorists and pedestrians are likely to behave in various situations, including how they are likely to respond to a cyclist who uses hand signals, claims the lane, runs a light, etc. All this data could be included in the robots real-time risk assessment.

Would this robot obey, de-facto, traffic laws most of the time?

Are there situations where obeying the law increases exposure to risks?

As I said earlier (in a &lt;a href=&quot;/2010/11/05/a-thought-experiment-on-bike-commuting-safety/comment-page-1/#comment-227499&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;response to @rich&lt;/a&gt;), my commute contains a 50-yard lawbreaking run, which saves me time, decreases my overall exposure to traffic, and eliminates two left turns through intersections. I wonder what a risk-assessing robot would do?

My commute could be made 100% legal if I were willing to dismount and push the bike through this short stretch, but that would erase the time savings. Since this is &lt;em&gt;my&lt;/em&gt; thought experiment, I&#039;m going to say that the robot can&#039;t dismount and push the bike.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it interesting that, among those who are participating in the thought experiment, many are saying that the robot should obey traffic laws <em>except</em> or <em>unless</em> certain dangerous situations arise. I&#8217;d like to follow up on <a href="/2010/11/05/a-thought-experiment-on-bike-commuting-safety/comment-page-1/#comment-227505" rel="nofollow">@Josh Lipton&#8217;s comment</a>, &#8220;If our robot bike commuter somehow was able to accurately calculate risk levels, quantified risk choices could be made.&#8221;</p>
<p>Okay. Suppose that the robot were completely indifferent to traffic laws, but could be programmed with data on how motorists and pedestrians are likely to behave in various situations, including how they are likely to respond to a cyclist who uses hand signals, claims the lane, runs a light, etc. All this data could be included in the robots real-time risk assessment.</p>
<p>Would this robot obey, de-facto, traffic laws most of the time?</p>
<p>Are there situations where obeying the law increases exposure to risks?</p>
<p>As I said earlier (in a <a href="/2010/11/05/a-thought-experiment-on-bike-commuting-safety/comment-page-1/#comment-227499" rel="nofollow">response to @rich</a>), my commute contains a 50-yard lawbreaking run, which saves me time, decreases my overall exposure to traffic, and eliminates two left turns through intersections. I wonder what a risk-assessing robot would do?</p>
<p>My commute could be made 100% legal if I were willing to dismount and push the bike through this short stretch, but that would erase the time savings. Since this is <em>my</em> thought experiment, I&#8217;m going to say that the robot can&#8217;t dismount and push the bike.</p>
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