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		<title>By: BluesCat</title>
		<link>http://www.commutebybike.com/2011/05/11/trekking-handlebars-and-other-comforts/comment-page-1/#comment-1138507</link>
		<dc:creator>BluesCat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2012 03:23:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MikeDinWP - I apologize for being SO long in responding! I think the only thing you give up --- for the comfort of a Flyer --- is the weight. But I think the comfort of the Brooks FAR outweighs any weight advantage.

Here&#039;s a photo of the &lt;a href=&quot;http://i87.servimg.com/u/f87/13/57/05/78/bcbutt14.jpg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;cockpit of my Giant Yukon from the rider&#039;s perspective&lt;/a&gt;. I had a lot of accessories loaded on the bike when this photo was taken.

Alan - When I&#039;ve been riding my Batavus, I&#039;ve always found moving from the stem area of the bars down and forward to the area where the brake levers are on the drop handlebars a MUCH more unnerving move than moving back from any position of the Trekking bars to where the brifters are. There have been a couple of times when I&#039;ve missed hooking my thumb around the forward loop of the drop bars (because of a bump in the road or some other roadway variation) and almost banged my nose on the top of the stem. Some of this is, I know, because I simply do not ride the Batavus a lot, but it is REALLY hard to miss the brakes on the Trekking bars.

Nonotuck - I have heard that Trekking bars are almost considered &quot;normal&quot; handlebars for certain parts of Europe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MikeDinWP &#8211; I apologize for being SO long in responding! I think the only thing you give up &#8212; for the comfort of a Flyer &#8212; is the weight. But I think the comfort of the Brooks FAR outweighs any weight advantage.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a photo of the <a href="http://i87.servimg.com/u/f87/13/57/05/78/bcbutt14.jpg" rel="nofollow">cockpit of my Giant Yukon from the rider&#8217;s perspective</a>. I had a lot of accessories loaded on the bike when this photo was taken.</p>
<p>Alan &#8211; When I&#8217;ve been riding my Batavus, I&#8217;ve always found moving from the stem area of the bars down and forward to the area where the brake levers are on the drop handlebars a MUCH more unnerving move than moving back from any position of the Trekking bars to where the brifters are. There have been a couple of times when I&#8217;ve missed hooking my thumb around the forward loop of the drop bars (because of a bump in the road or some other roadway variation) and almost banged my nose on the top of the stem. Some of this is, I know, because I simply do not ride the Batavus a lot, but it is REALLY hard to miss the brakes on the Trekking bars.</p>
<p>Nonotuck &#8211; I have heard that Trekking bars are almost considered &#8220;normal&#8221; handlebars for certain parts of Europe.</p>
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		<title>By: Nonotuck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nonotuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Aug 2012 19:00:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just got back from Berlin, where there is a huge amount of urban biking, both short- and long-distance.  I&#039;d say almost half the bikes had these butterfly or trekking bars.  People seem to love them.  Also, Berlin has an interesting bike lane system: they build the lanes into the sidewalks rather than the road, using differently colored paving materials and small, bike level traffic lights at many intersections.  The bottom line is that Berlin cyclists have to have hair-trigger braking reflexes, and these trekking bars don&#039;t seem to be an impediment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just got back from Berlin, where there is a huge amount of urban biking, both short- and long-distance.  I&#8217;d say almost half the bikes had these butterfly or trekking bars.  People seem to love them.  Also, Berlin has an interesting bike lane system: they build the lanes into the sidewalks rather than the road, using differently colored paving materials and small, bike level traffic lights at many intersections.  The bottom line is that Berlin cyclists have to have hair-trigger braking reflexes, and these trekking bars don&#8217;t seem to be an impediment.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Sep 2011 18:25:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I tried out a set of trekking bars on my Kona Ute but decided to go back to the stock Kona Handplant bar.

I found that comfort was not increased and, for city riding, the temptation to put my hands somewhere other than where on the brakes creates an accident waiting to happen. I&#039;m still looking for a perfect handlebar but mountain-spec bars seem few and far between...

I too have a Brooks Flyer and, when ridden with cycling shorts, it&#039;s a wonderful solution. Very, very nice. The springs are a cheap and simple suspension system and the only drawback I can imagine might be in very aggressive riding where the springs could launch you off the seat. Not likely, I suppose, and not an issue for me. It&#039;s a great saddle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tried out a set of trekking bars on my Kona Ute but decided to go back to the stock Kona Handplant bar.</p>
<p>I found that comfort was not increased and, for city riding, the temptation to put my hands somewhere other than where on the brakes creates an accident waiting to happen. I&#8217;m still looking for a perfect handlebar but mountain-spec bars seem few and far between&#8230;</p>
<p>I too have a Brooks Flyer and, when ridden with cycling shorts, it&#8217;s a wonderful solution. Very, very nice. The springs are a cheap and simple suspension system and the only drawback I can imagine might be in very aggressive riding where the springs could launch you off the seat. Not likely, I suppose, and not an issue for me. It&#8217;s a great saddle.</p>
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		<title>By: MikeDinWP</title>
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		<dc:creator>MikeDinWP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jul 2011 02:17:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First question... what do you give up or compromise when using a seat with springs?  Second, would you please post addition photos on the handle bars from the seated rider perspective?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First question&#8230; what do you give up or compromise when using a seat with springs?  Second, would you please post addition photos on the handle bars from the seated rider perspective?</p>
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		<title>By: BluesCat</title>
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		<dc:creator>BluesCat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 May 2011 16:38:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Emilio - Yeah, the &quot;regular&quot; reach (from handlebar to saddle nose) has definitely changed: it has gotten quite a bit shorter as a result of the grips moving back behind the stem clamp --- on the trekking bar flats --- rather than being in line with the clamp, out on the ends of the bar as they are with a flat bar.

I&#039;m no bike fitter, so it is inappropriate for me to get into a discussion of the art of making the myriad of adjustments to the bike for the optimum performance of a particular individual.

I can, however, make subjective comments on how it has helped my &lt;i&gt;personal&lt;/i&gt; comfort and performance. When my hands are on the flats, I am in an upright position almost as straight-up as on a beach cruiser. As I slide my hands around the outside of the bar towards the front loops, and stay seated, I gradually increase the reach distance and the forward angle of my body. I can &quot;fine tune&quot; the angle of my body and my reach for the exact configuration for feels most comfortable at that moment.

That is something which is IMPOSSIBLE to do with a flat bar or a riser bar.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Emilio &#8211; Yeah, the &#8220;regular&#8221; reach (from handlebar to saddle nose) has definitely changed: it has gotten quite a bit shorter as a result of the grips moving back behind the stem clamp &#8212; on the trekking bar flats &#8212; rather than being in line with the clamp, out on the ends of the bar as they are with a flat bar.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m no bike fitter, so it is inappropriate for me to get into a discussion of the art of making the myriad of adjustments to the bike for the optimum performance of a particular individual.</p>
<p>I can, however, make subjective comments on how it has helped my <i>personal</i> comfort and performance. When my hands are on the flats, I am in an upright position almost as straight-up as on a beach cruiser. As I slide my hands around the outside of the bar towards the front loops, and stay seated, I gradually increase the reach distance and the forward angle of my body. I can &#8220;fine tune&#8221; the angle of my body and my reach for the exact configuration for feels most comfortable at that moment.</p>
<p>That is something which is IMPOSSIBLE to do with a flat bar or a riser bar.</p>
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		<title>By: Emilio</title>
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		<dc:creator>Emilio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 May 2011 01:54:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks BluesCat; I was also thinking ot the stem length, as the reach of trekking bars looks different. What is your experience there ?
Thanks !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks BluesCat; I was also thinking ot the stem length, as the reach of trekking bars looks different. What is your experience there ?<br />
Thanks !</p>
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		<title>By: BluesCat</title>
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		<dc:creator>BluesCat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 May 2011 14:45:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Emilio - My understanding is that SOME of the newer road bike stems will accept the Trekking bars, but that MOST road bike stems have a larger handlebar clamp than 25.4mm. There are shim kits available, which vary in price from $5 to $10 and up, which will allow you to fit a flat bar, a riser bar or a trekking bar to one of these road bike stems.

I&#039;m sure the techs at your local bike shop will be familiar with this.

A noteworthy aside is that the smaller frame on the Yukon made the regular riser handlebars just about right, maybe just a tad low when I had the seat height properly adjusted. When I originally tried the Trekking bars in the drop position they were way too low. I added a stem extension and now the Trekking bars in the drop position are absolutely perfect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Emilio &#8211; My understanding is that SOME of the newer road bike stems will accept the Trekking bars, but that MOST road bike stems have a larger handlebar clamp than 25.4mm. There are shim kits available, which vary in price from $5 to $10 and up, which will allow you to fit a flat bar, a riser bar or a trekking bar to one of these road bike stems.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure the techs at your local bike shop will be familiar with this.</p>
<p>A noteworthy aside is that the smaller frame on the Yukon made the regular riser handlebars just about right, maybe just a tad low when I had the seat height properly adjusted. When I originally tried the Trekking bars in the drop position they were way too low. I added a stem extension and now the Trekking bars in the drop position are absolutely perfect.</p>
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		<title>By: Emilio</title>
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		<dc:creator>Emilio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 May 2011 22:54:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting; do you use the same stem for the trekking bar as for drop bars ? It would be nice to give it a try, just wondering if I should get a new stem too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting; do you use the same stem for the trekking bar as for drop bars ? It would be nice to give it a try, just wondering if I should get a new stem too.</p>
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		<title>By: BluesCat</title>
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		<dc:creator>BluesCat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 May 2011 14:33:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian Ogilvie - I agree with you, with one caveat.

Speaking only for myself, around the time I became eligible for the senior discounts on breakfast at Denny&#039;s, those core muscles you mention (especially the abdominal and lower back muscles) began to show signs of wanting to increase the speed of my entire body&#039;s trek towards retirement. 

As a result, when I am riding I have become more dependent on the strong, skeletal support structure created by the triangle between the hips, the shoulders and the hands on the handlebars.

Bluntly: those core muscles can&#039;t do the job they once were able to do, so my shoulders and hands have had to take up the slack whenever I&#039;m leaning even slightly forward in the saddle.

I say this only for myself, but I suspect that it applies to other, more ... er ... &lt;i&gt;mature&lt;/i&gt; riders and that is one of the factors which lead us to gravitate towards recumbents.

That, and &lt;i&gt;another&lt;/i&gt; thing that comes with age:  Wisdom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian Ogilvie &#8211; I agree with you, with one caveat.</p>
<p>Speaking only for myself, around the time I became eligible for the senior discounts on breakfast at Denny&#8217;s, those core muscles you mention (especially the abdominal and lower back muscles) began to show signs of wanting to increase the speed of my entire body&#8217;s trek towards retirement. </p>
<p>As a result, when I am riding I have become more dependent on the strong, skeletal support structure created by the triangle between the hips, the shoulders and the hands on the handlebars.</p>
<p>Bluntly: those core muscles can&#8217;t do the job they once were able to do, so my shoulders and hands have had to take up the slack whenever I&#8217;m leaning even slightly forward in the saddle.</p>
<p>I say this only for myself, but I suspect that it applies to other, more &#8230; er &#8230; <i>mature</i> riders and that is one of the factors which lead us to gravitate towards recumbents.</p>
<p>That, and <i>another</i> thing that comes with age:  Wisdom.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 May 2011 13:56:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I recently switched back to upright bikes from recumbents. I set my bike up with a sprung Brooks saddle and trekking bars in the riser position. I&#039;m finding the ride almost as comfortable as a recumbent. Its hard to beat a recumbent for overall comfort.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recently switched back to upright bikes from recumbents. I set my bike up with a sprung Brooks saddle and trekking bars in the riser position. I&#8217;m finding the ride almost as comfortable as a recumbent. Its hard to beat a recumbent for overall comfort.</p>
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