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		<title>By: Paul Johnson</title>
		<link>http://www.commutebybike.com/2011/06/21/extreme-commuting/comment-page-1/#comment-297990</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jun 2011 02:10:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why drive on the sidewalk, especially against traffic, especially on a street that clearly has bicycle lanes?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why drive on the sidewalk, especially against traffic, especially on a street that clearly has bicycle lanes?</p>
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		<title>By: Ted Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ted Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2011 22:26:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of our perennially popular articles is &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.commutebybike.com/2008/07/09/top-5-rules-for-riding-on-the-sidewalk/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Top 5 Rules for Riding on the Sidewalk&lt;/a&gt;, published in July 2008 (before my time here).

It gets thousands of hits and a few new comments every month.  I need to figure out why.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of our perennially popular articles is <a href="http://www.commutebybike.com/2008/07/09/top-5-rules-for-riding-on-the-sidewalk/" rel="nofollow">Top 5 Rules for Riding on the Sidewalk</a>, published in July 2008 (before my time here).</p>
<p>It gets thousands of hits and a few new comments every month.  I need to figure out why.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Masoner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Masoner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2011 19:58:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I sometimes harp about sidewalk riding, but if the walk is empty it&#039;s hardly rude to anybody.  Yeah, there&#039;s some added danger too, but if you act like a pedestrian on wheels (i.e. slow &amp; tentative at crossings instead of darting across) you should be fine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I sometimes harp about sidewalk riding, but if the walk is empty it&#8217;s hardly rude to anybody.  Yeah, there&#8217;s some added danger too, but if you act like a pedestrian on wheels (i.e. slow &amp; tentative at crossings instead of darting across) you should be fine.</p>
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		<title>By: Ted Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ted Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jun 2011 17:07:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nce catch, BluesCat. Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nce catch, BluesCat. Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: BluesCat</title>
		<link>http://www.commutebybike.com/2011/06/21/extreme-commuting/comment-page-1/#comment-292785</link>
		<dc:creator>BluesCat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jun 2011 17:04:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW, Ted, I thought the video was terrific, I&#039;ve found myself walking around TALKING EXTREMELY with some of my coworkers.

Also, you left the &quot;i&quot; out of the &quot;cycling&quot; in your &quot;www.utilitycycling.org&quot; link. Y&#039;know, the Ol&#039; BluesCat NEVER makes mstakes wth leavng i&#039;s out of hs weghty wrtngs!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW, Ted, I thought the video was terrific, I&#8217;ve found myself walking around TALKING EXTREMELY with some of my coworkers.</p>
<p>Also, you left the &#8220;i&#8221; out of the &#8220;cycling&#8221; in your &#8220;www.utilitycycling.org&#8221; link. Y&#8217;know, the Ol&#8217; BluesCat NEVER makes mstakes wth leavng i&#8217;s out of hs weghty wrtngs!</p>
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		<title>By: Chrehn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chrehn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jun 2011 16:39:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like the video idea a lot. Bicycle commuting has it&#039;s extreme moments and I like the idea of capturing them and sharing them on video. JOYBAGgers Unite!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the video idea a lot. Bicycle commuting has it&#8217;s extreme moments and I like the idea of capturing them and sharing them on video. JOYBAGgers Unite!</p>
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		<title>By: Ted Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ted Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jun 2011 16:35:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nathan spoke in generalities, and I can&#039;t say I disagree in principle.


When it is an isn&#039;t safe to ride on the sidewalk is really a matter of judgement. There are times when it is absolutely the only sensible thing to do. EXTREMELY sensible!

I knew I was going catch hell from someone for my sidewalk stretch in the video. It was just a matter of waiting for that shoe to drop. However, my violation can&#039;t be defended as being the safest thing for me to do. It was probably equally safe to the alternative, which would have been to cross the road, ride one block in the bike lane, and then cross back.

But when the concrete bike path ended, I had a green light. I looked ahead at the vacant sidewalk. I made the call in a split second, and kept rolling. A self-serving judgment call to be sure.

I sometimes wonder whether the traffic-law-compliance absolutists among us are just uncomfortable with allowing people to make these kind of judgment calls. Do they fear the slippery slope that ends up with total traffic chaos? That is a pretty scary scenario when you consider that the traffic landscape (to say nothing of the law) is, as BluesCat points out,  designed to privilege a particular kind of user. And that user has the advantage of disproportionate size, weight, speed, and armor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nathan spoke in generalities, and I can&#8217;t say I disagree in principle.</p>
<p>When it is an isn&#8217;t safe to ride on the sidewalk is really a matter of judgement. There are times when it is absolutely the only sensible thing to do. EXTREMELY sensible!</p>
<p>I knew I was going catch hell from someone for my sidewalk stretch in the video. It was just a matter of waiting for that shoe to drop. However, my violation can&#8217;t be defended as being the safest thing for me to do. It was probably equally safe to the alternative, which would have been to cross the road, ride one block in the bike lane, and then cross back.</p>
<p>But when the concrete bike path ended, I had a green light. I looked ahead at the vacant sidewalk. I made the call in a split second, and kept rolling. A self-serving judgment call to be sure.</p>
<p>I sometimes wonder whether the traffic-law-compliance absolutists among us are just uncomfortable with allowing people to make these kind of judgment calls. Do they fear the slippery slope that ends up with total traffic chaos? That is a pretty scary scenario when you consider that the traffic landscape (to say nothing of the law) is, as BluesCat points out,  designed to privilege a particular kind of user. And that user has the advantage of disproportionate size, weight, speed, and armor.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jun 2011 15:24:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A: How is it rude if you&#039;re riding in a courteous manner?

B: True, but sometimes it&#039;s safer than the street.

C: Most places it&#039;s legal to ride on the sidewalk.  That&#039;s where the drivers seem to think you belong anyway.  So I&#039;m not sure why it would upset them.

I&#039;m not an advocate for sidewalk riding by any means.  I prefer the street in 90% of any riding scenario.  But until all roads are safe for bike travel, sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do.  And if someone doesn&#039;t feel comfortable riding on the roads, at least their riding a bike.  We need more inclusion and less exclusion if we&#039;re ever going to make some change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A: How is it rude if you&#8217;re riding in a courteous manner?</p>
<p>B: True, but sometimes it&#8217;s safer than the street.</p>
<p>C: Most places it&#8217;s legal to ride on the sidewalk.  That&#8217;s where the drivers seem to think you belong anyway.  So I&#8217;m not sure why it would upset them.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not an advocate for sidewalk riding by any means.  I prefer the street in 90% of any riding scenario.  But until all roads are safe for bike travel, sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do.  And if someone doesn&#8217;t feel comfortable riding on the roads, at least their riding a bike.  We need more inclusion and less exclusion if we&#8217;re ever going to make some change.</p>
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		<title>By: BluesCat</title>
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		<dc:creator>BluesCat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jun 2011 15:02:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nathan - I don&#039;t like to ride on sidewalks. With the high pressure tires on my &#039;bent and my road bike, the concrete expansion joints make the ride so rough it feels like I&#039;m going to knock some fillings out of my teeth!

But there are several roads in Phoenix where it is EXTREMEly DUMB to attempt to &quot;take the lane&quot; on a bicycle. And there isn&#039;t an alternative route to a destination on some of these roads.

I spoke of one of them in a post on my blog entitled &lt;a href=&quot;http://azbluescat.blogspot.com/2010/09/solidly-safer-sidewalk.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;The Solidly Safer Sidewalk&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/a&gt;.

Almost ALL of the traffic laws in the U.S. have been created with motor vehicles in mind, which means sometimes it is EXTREMEly SILLY to apply them to bikes. It is EXTREMEly LAME to insist that I stop at a stop sign at 5:15 AM in the morning when there isn&#039;t a car around for miles!  I spoke of this in another blog post called &lt;a href=&quot;http://azbluescat.blogspot.com/2010/09/here-come-da-traffic-law-judge.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;Here Come Da Traffic Law Judge&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nathan &#8211; I don&#8217;t like to ride on sidewalks. With the high pressure tires on my &#8216;bent and my road bike, the concrete expansion joints make the ride so rough it feels like I&#8217;m going to knock some fillings out of my teeth!</p>
<p>But there are several roads in Phoenix where it is EXTREMEly DUMB to attempt to &#8220;take the lane&#8221; on a bicycle. And there isn&#8217;t an alternative route to a destination on some of these roads.</p>
<p>I spoke of one of them in a post on my blog entitled <a href="http://azbluescat.blogspot.com/2010/09/solidly-safer-sidewalk.html" rel="nofollow"><i>The Solidly Safer Sidewalk</i></a>.</p>
<p>Almost ALL of the traffic laws in the U.S. have been created with motor vehicles in mind, which means sometimes it is EXTREMEly SILLY to apply them to bikes. It is EXTREMEly LAME to insist that I stop at a stop sign at 5:15 AM in the morning when there isn&#8217;t a car around for miles!  I spoke of this in another blog post called <a href="http://azbluescat.blogspot.com/2010/09/here-come-da-traffic-law-judge.html" rel="nofollow"><i>Here Come Da Traffic Law Judge</i></a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Nathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jun 2011 05:11:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps riding on the sidewalk isn&#039;t illegal everywhere, but it is:
A) EXTREMEly rude to pedestrians
B) EXTREMEly unsafe, since drivers are watch for things moving at pedestrian speed, not bicycle speed, to come off of a sidewalk at an intersection
C) EXTREMELY rude to other cyclists who try to follow the rules yet get hated by drivers and pedestrians alike because of cyclists who break the rules.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps riding on the sidewalk isn&#8217;t illegal everywhere, but it is:<br />
A) EXTREMEly rude to pedestrians<br />
B) EXTREMEly unsafe, since drivers are watch for things moving at pedestrian speed, not bicycle speed, to come off of a sidewalk at an intersection<br />
C) EXTREMELY rude to other cyclists who try to follow the rules yet get hated by drivers and pedestrians alike because of cyclists who break the rules.</p>
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