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		<title>By: varontron</title>
		<link>http://www.commutebybike.com/2011/06/27/calculating-the-leap-to-driving-less/comment-page-1/#comment-697533</link>
		<dc:creator>varontron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jan 2012 13:57:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was motivated to cycle by my intense hatred for traffic.  Stationary, burning fuel, and eventually arriving angry, frustrated, and physically sore from _sitting down_ for an hour (if I could get on the road in time) was just unacceptable after 15 years.  I was a courier in NYC in the 80s for crying out loud.

Now, I&#039;m 43. I have a 33mi. round trip.  I started cycling in July &#039;11.  I&#039;m up to 2 days/week.  I&#039;m averaging 14.7 mph over hilly terrain, sometimes with 20# in tow.  On avg, per round trip, it takes only 20 min longer to cycle commute than to drive.  Goodbye gym membership, gym commuting, and gym showering (ick.)

I&#039;m a data junkie and I have an elaborate spreadsheet to track my cycling costs and performance, including comparative driving cost and time analysis.  

My initial investment was around $1500.  I&#039;ve since bought clothing and gear which has brought my total to $2600.  I live in New England.  My warmest commute was 103F, my coldest, 16F.  So I need a variety of clothing, lights, etc., and I want them to last.

Obviously, I agree with those who grimace at over-generalized cost-per-mile driving estimates, and over-simplified replacement scenarios.  I&#039;m not giving up my car (a &#039;95 accord on which I do nearly all maintenance/repair.)  Even if I can cycle 5 days/week, I still need it for weekend travel, dinners out, etc.  So generic costs like tire wear, insurance, etc. don&#039;t qualify for my analysis.  They&#039;re either reduced or excluded.   I&#039;ve included items like gym membership and some auto maintenance in my calculations, along with gas, pkg, pkg subsidies, etc.  I used 10 driving and 2 public transportation scenarios with variables including wkg from home occasionally, pkg for free occasionally (when the secret spots are open,) putting in for the subsidy, _forgetting_ to put in for the subsidy, rising gas prices, etc.  My range of costs was $8.49 to $21.82 per day on an annual basis, or an avg. of $13.07.

Currently this means it will take 198 cycling days to break even.  I&#039;m in for 28 days so far, or 14%.

I got to this site searching for a way to accurately estimate medical cost savings attributable to cycle commuting.  It&#039;s been helpful in that regard but I still have some research to do.  If I can add $1/day to my cost-savings, it will reduce my breakeven by 13 days.

In sum, I love being on the bike.  25 years ago it was the only way I got around.  I couldn&#039;t afford a car, and didn&#039;t care.  Chasing the breakeven and eventually saving on both time and money are great long term challenges at which I will eventually succeed.  Setting a good example for my kids and coworkers is tremendously rewarding.  It feels great.  Staying fit, and avoiding showering at the gym are invaluable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was motivated to cycle by my intense hatred for traffic.  Stationary, burning fuel, and eventually arriving angry, frustrated, and physically sore from _sitting down_ for an hour (if I could get on the road in time) was just unacceptable after 15 years.  I was a courier in NYC in the 80s for crying out loud.</p>
<p>Now, I&#8217;m 43. I have a 33mi. round trip.  I started cycling in July &#8217;11.  I&#8217;m up to 2 days/week.  I&#8217;m averaging 14.7 mph over hilly terrain, sometimes with 20# in tow.  On avg, per round trip, it takes only 20 min longer to cycle commute than to drive.  Goodbye gym membership, gym commuting, and gym showering (ick.)</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a data junkie and I have an elaborate spreadsheet to track my cycling costs and performance, including comparative driving cost and time analysis.  </p>
<p>My initial investment was around $1500.  I&#8217;ve since bought clothing and gear which has brought my total to $2600.  I live in New England.  My warmest commute was 103F, my coldest, 16F.  So I need a variety of clothing, lights, etc., and I want them to last.</p>
<p>Obviously, I agree with those who grimace at over-generalized cost-per-mile driving estimates, and over-simplified replacement scenarios.  I&#8217;m not giving up my car (a &#8217;95 accord on which I do nearly all maintenance/repair.)  Even if I can cycle 5 days/week, I still need it for weekend travel, dinners out, etc.  So generic costs like tire wear, insurance, etc. don&#8217;t qualify for my analysis.  They&#8217;re either reduced or excluded.   I&#8217;ve included items like gym membership and some auto maintenance in my calculations, along with gas, pkg, pkg subsidies, etc.  I used 10 driving and 2 public transportation scenarios with variables including wkg from home occasionally, pkg for free occasionally (when the secret spots are open,) putting in for the subsidy, _forgetting_ to put in for the subsidy, rising gas prices, etc.  My range of costs was $8.49 to $21.82 per day on an annual basis, or an avg. of $13.07.</p>
<p>Currently this means it will take 198 cycling days to break even.  I&#8217;m in for 28 days so far, or 14%.</p>
<p>I got to this site searching for a way to accurately estimate medical cost savings attributable to cycle commuting.  It&#8217;s been helpful in that regard but I still have some research to do.  If I can add $1/day to my cost-savings, it will reduce my breakeven by 13 days.</p>
<p>In sum, I love being on the bike.  25 years ago it was the only way I got around.  I couldn&#8217;t afford a car, and didn&#8217;t care.  Chasing the breakeven and eventually saving on both time and money are great long term challenges at which I will eventually succeed.  Setting a good example for my kids and coworkers is tremendously rewarding.  It feels great.  Staying fit, and avoiding showering at the gym are invaluable.</p>
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		<title>By: Friedel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Friedel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jul 2011 08:55:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For me, the bonus of cycling to work is not something that can be calculated financially. The bonus is the happy, relaxed feeling I get from being active and in control of my commute, not to mention the extra exercise and interesting things I see along the way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For me, the bonus of cycling to work is not something that can be calculated financially. The bonus is the happy, relaxed feeling I get from being active and in control of my commute, not to mention the extra exercise and interesting things I see along the way.</p>
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		<title>By: peddlin' nige</title>
		<link>http://www.commutebybike.com/2011/06/27/calculating-the-leap-to-driving-less/comment-page-1/#comment-316181</link>
		<dc:creator>peddlin' nige</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jul 2011 17:36:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Haha- brilliant! I can&#039;t belive I didn&#039;t think of it myself. But didn&#039;t that particular delorean run on plutonium?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Haha- brilliant! I can&#8217;t belive I didn&#8217;t think of it myself. But didn&#8217;t that particular delorean run on plutonium?</p>
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		<title>By: Ted Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ted Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jul 2011 14:14:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can&#039;t you just take the Delorean back to 1940 every time you need to fill it up?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can&#8217;t you just take the Delorean back to 1940 every time you need to fill it up?</p>
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		<title>By: peddlin' nige</title>
		<link>http://www.commutebybike.com/2011/06/27/calculating-the-leap-to-driving-less/comment-page-1/#comment-312681</link>
		<dc:creator>peddlin' nige</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jul 2011 03:47:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s my maths, correct me if I&#039;m wrong....

If I drive the 11kms to work in my clunky car, rather than ride my clunky bike, it costs me $2.50 in gas. I know this because it costs me $50 to fill the tank and I can go there and back 20 times before I have to fill up again. (I do have a life outside work but it&#039;s all bike and foot based...).

Wear and tear, oil changes, tyres etc for the Delorean mean it costs about 15 cents a km to drive, so my round trip to work, at 11 kms each way costs $3.30 wear and tear, plus $2.50 gas, which of course equals (um...) $5.80.

My bike cost $250 and I&#039;ve never spent a thing on it, though I probably should have by now, so clearly it doesn&#039;t take long, at least in my case, for biking to be cost effective. Plus I get to see bear, eagle, deer and even a cougar once and that&#039;s worth way more than a few measley gallons of fuel, and best of all I can stop by the swimming hole for a dip in summer and it&#039;s downhill all the way from there to home so I dry off nicely. Sod the money; ride anyway!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s my maths, correct me if I&#8217;m wrong&#8230;.</p>
<p>If I drive the 11kms to work in my clunky car, rather than ride my clunky bike, it costs me $2.50 in gas. I know this because it costs me $50 to fill the tank and I can go there and back 20 times before I have to fill up again. (I do have a life outside work but it&#8217;s all bike and foot based&#8230;).</p>
<p>Wear and tear, oil changes, tyres etc for the Delorean mean it costs about 15 cents a km to drive, so my round trip to work, at 11 kms each way costs $3.30 wear and tear, plus $2.50 gas, which of course equals (um&#8230;) $5.80.</p>
<p>My bike cost $250 and I&#8217;ve never spent a thing on it, though I probably should have by now, so clearly it doesn&#8217;t take long, at least in my case, for biking to be cost effective. Plus I get to see bear, eagle, deer and even a cougar once and that&#8217;s worth way more than a few measley gallons of fuel, and best of all I can stop by the swimming hole for a dip in summer and it&#8217;s downhill all the way from there to home so I dry off nicely. Sod the money; ride anyway!</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2011 23:36:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Rob:
It doesn&#039;t hurt to tell people that they&#039;ll save money if they switch to bike commuting, if that&#039;s sufficient motivation for them to give it a try.
Once they&#039;ve tried it (and given it a reasonable go), they&#039;ll probably find all the other benefits that we all know about. In all likelyhood they&#039;ll end up like most of us posting here - &quot;I assume it saves me money, but I really don&#039;t care because it&#039;s fun and gets me healthy and saves time and...&quot;.
If telling people it will save them money is untrue, it&#039;s a white lie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Rob:<br />
It doesn&#8217;t hurt to tell people that they&#8217;ll save money if they switch to bike commuting, if that&#8217;s sufficient motivation for them to give it a try.<br />
Once they&#8217;ve tried it (and given it a reasonable go), they&#8217;ll probably find all the other benefits that we all know about. In all likelyhood they&#8217;ll end up like most of us posting here &#8211; &#8220;I assume it saves me money, but I really don&#8217;t care because it&#8217;s fun and gets me healthy and saves time and&#8230;&#8221;.<br />
If telling people it will save them money is untrue, it&#8217;s a white lie.</p>
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		<title>By: Dann Golden-Collum</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dann Golden-Collum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2011 19:29:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Everyone&#039;s bike commuting costs will be different.  I put those numbers out there as a baseline, not a rule.  Where you ride, how you ride, and what you want out of your ride will all be determining factors in a yearly cost.

I&#039;ve been riding the same Bianchi Axis since 1987, and hope to ride it for another 10 years at least.  I bought it because of the frame and components - I knew it would last a long time.  Retail cost in 1987 was $1,200, but I paid $900 on sale.  This bike has now cost me $37.50 per year, plus a $1.75 per year rider on my household insurance.  So the $1,500 initial cost of a new bike should spread out over the time a person rides/owns that bike.  I am a huge fan of buying used or on sale, so costs go down according to the savings one can find.

Even if everything a person buys to use to ride is on sale or from craigslist or thrift stores, a realistic cost per year is important to impart to would-be commuters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everyone&#8217;s bike commuting costs will be different.  I put those numbers out there as a baseline, not a rule.  Where you ride, how you ride, and what you want out of your ride will all be determining factors in a yearly cost.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been riding the same Bianchi Axis since 1987, and hope to ride it for another 10 years at least.  I bought it because of the frame and components &#8211; I knew it would last a long time.  Retail cost in 1987 was $1,200, but I paid $900 on sale.  This bike has now cost me $37.50 per year, plus a $1.75 per year rider on my household insurance.  So the $1,500 initial cost of a new bike should spread out over the time a person rides/owns that bike.  I am a huge fan of buying used or on sale, so costs go down according to the savings one can find.</p>
<p>Even if everything a person buys to use to ride is on sale or from craigslist or thrift stores, a realistic cost per year is important to impart to would-be commuters.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob ("The Rob")</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob ("The Rob")</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2011 14:27:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I started commuting in March of this year and so far have logged 2100 commuting miles (20 each way). My car is a 1988 honda civic that gets 45mpg, so my &quot;savings&quot; are not my motivation. Even with a hypothetical new SUV that got 15mpg, it would take me all year just to pay for my bike. I really don&#039;t think you will get new people to start doing this just my telling them they will save gas money - you need a much stronger motivation. For me, I lost 100 lbs. 5 years ago and this is helping me from &quot;finding&quot; it. It&#039;s probably different for all of us. I think it&#039;s great that there are so many reasons to do this regardless of where you live.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I started commuting in March of this year and so far have logged 2100 commuting miles (20 each way). My car is a 1988 honda civic that gets 45mpg, so my &#8220;savings&#8221; are not my motivation. Even with a hypothetical new SUV that got 15mpg, it would take me all year just to pay for my bike. I really don&#8217;t think you will get new people to start doing this just my telling them they will save gas money &#8211; you need a much stronger motivation. For me, I lost 100 lbs. 5 years ago and this is helping me from &#8220;finding&#8221; it. It&#8217;s probably different for all of us. I think it&#8217;s great that there are so many reasons to do this regardless of where you live.</p>
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		<title>By: The non stop bicyclist</title>
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		<dc:creator>The non stop bicyclist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jun 2011 23:35:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the savings of getting rid of a car and riding a bicycle to work are huge!  It&#039;s not just money you&#039;ll save.  You&#039;ll save you!

I liked biking, but when I got married, didn&#039;t have much time to bike.  I started riding to work for pleasure, and would do it even if it weren&#039;t to save money.

I may be fooling myself, but I think I save a buck a mile.  If that is so, I save $5000 a year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the savings of getting rid of a car and riding a bicycle to work are huge!  It&#8217;s not just money you&#8217;ll save.  You&#8217;ll save you!</p>
<p>I liked biking, but when I got married, didn&#8217;t have much time to bike.  I started riding to work for pleasure, and would do it even if it weren&#8217;t to save money.</p>
<p>I may be fooling myself, but I think I save a buck a mile.  If that is so, I save $5000 a year.</p>
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		<title>By: Icebiker3</title>
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		<dc:creator>Icebiker3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jun 2011 21:16:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just found this site. Groovy.
I have been keeping track of my expenses and records for awhile now, and I have evolved a pretty stand kit for 4-season commuting, although most of my stuff is ready to be replaced this year. (Jacket and panniers are both rotten and ripping, etc)Since I make most of my own stuff like parts and clothing, my costs are different, of course. 
I have not driven a car to work since April 1, 2001. Not once. I have walked home with a broken bike, and pushed through a blizzard to the bus stop, but it was always on my bike. My wife drives a 1997 Taurus that is .16 per mile, and my bikes cost me .175 per mile last year. 

The big savings in riding a bike to work is not just in gasoline or carbon, but rather in medical costs, pain, and suffering. 

My Seven on the road is $3500.
My Die Eis Hexen winter bike is about $4500.
A Heart Attack is $75,000 for the first one, if you survive. Then there are the monthly meds to consider. A whole other world.

Then there is the fun.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just found this site. Groovy.<br />
I have been keeping track of my expenses and records for awhile now, and I have evolved a pretty stand kit for 4-season commuting, although most of my stuff is ready to be replaced this year. (Jacket and panniers are both rotten and ripping, etc)Since I make most of my own stuff like parts and clothing, my costs are different, of course.<br />
I have not driven a car to work since April 1, 2001. Not once. I have walked home with a broken bike, and pushed through a blizzard to the bus stop, but it was always on my bike. My wife drives a 1997 Taurus that is .16 per mile, and my bikes cost me .175 per mile last year. </p>
<p>The big savings in riding a bike to work is not just in gasoline or carbon, but rather in medical costs, pain, and suffering. </p>
<p>My Seven on the road is $3500.<br />
My Die Eis Hexen winter bike is about $4500.<br />
A Heart Attack is $75,000 for the first one, if you survive. Then there are the monthly meds to consider. A whole other world.</p>
<p>Then there is the fun.</p>
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